Posted by Bbob on June 12, 2000, at 20:50:12
In reply to Re: I'm sure you can all relate to this reply..., posted by CarolAnn on June 12, 2000, at 19:05:52
Frankly, my vomiting (reference to previous post) starts when people suggest that, since I do not allow pdocs to label me depressive, or embrace the medical label of "clinical depression" (what do clinics have to do with it?) I do not suffer from exactly the same condition as they do - affectually and neurochemically.
I don't know if CarolAnn's this reply was to what I wrote, but for me to ASSESS how we got this way, and to RECOMMEND an easy way out are two different things.
My ASSESSMENT has to do with a culture that has set its expectations way to high, that expects constant positive feedback, and that has lost touch with the simple rewards to be had of recognizing our temporal, insignifigant place in the order of the universe. I guess I made the mistake of writing here that this SICK condition of our society can likely be measured as upregulation of dopaminergic receptor sites.
I tend to convulse into the throes of dry heaves when people tell me that, since they are "clinically depressed" they somehow have a franchise on the expertise required to understand the CONSEQUENCES of participation in such a culture as ours or that my understanding of my moods is, well, not worthy of discussion.
But for RECOMENDATIONS, to any person, I have none, unless you want to be my friend, and anyone who wants to be my friend has to find their way up from their networked cathode ray tube, and be willing to hang with people whose interest goes beyond a concern over their moods and who can abide some long-term discomfort.
I can't even write to this site anymore without wondering if something I say will be "going to far." It certainly does not feel like a very safe place for a person who considers unhappiness to be likely reaction to events in our time, and who has taken the time to TRY to reach an understanding of the neurochemistry involved.
EXCUSE ME FOR ACCIDENTALLY LIVING, *ROCKET*. I am so sure that by writing *DEEP* on your computer, you can more easily dismiss me as a person who is not worthy of your consideration.
If, in case anyone happened to stumble across me as an unfortunate life form, I am also UNaBlE(?) (more like unwilling, but no difference) to seek pleasure. I have learned to abide with very minimal pleasure, Excuse me if recognize it. I am fine with that. In fact, I HOPE it makes people uncomfortable to see the displeasure I feel in their SICK AMERICAN CAPITALIST INDUSTRIAL SOCIETY.
pffff... F**K this!
> >> I suspect what CarolAnn really was asking was; is there a natural substance, that when taken over time, awakens the ability of the brain to experience pleasure and enhances the drive for reward?>>
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> BINGO! Johnturner77!
> The whole question begins with the cliche, which many depressives are told,"when you are depressed, do something that makes you feel good". As most of us know, when we are depressed, there just ain't anything that we can physically do that feels good. First of all the fatigue and or anhedonia make it impossible to do anything at all, even if our common sense knows that it would improve our mood. Second, when a person is depressed, nothing that anyone suggests is going to seem worth the trouble!
> I get so angry when people say things to me like,"Take a long leisurely bubble bath, go for a walk in the woods, buy yourself a beautiful bouquet of flowers, do something that gives you pleasure, ect., ect.," HELLLOOOO!! I'm depressed, nothing gives me pleasure, in fact, I don't even think that I have the capability to feel pleasure. And I certainly don't have the energy to try and figure out what would give me pleasure, much less, actually go out and do it!
> Sorry to rant, but I know that most of you know exactly what I am talking about. CarolAnn
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