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Re: Books

Posted by Tom on November 7, 1999, at 21:29:50

In reply to Re: Books, posted by Elizabeth on November 5, 1999, at 23:26:03

> > Breggin defends people in court who have become suicidal and murderous on Prozac and have ruined their own lives and the lives of others because of Prozac.
> So he's now impersonating a lawyer as well as impersonating a researcher?

No, as an expert witness. Its funny when Eli Lilly brings an elephant gun to the court room to shoot a mouse. Their behavior in these cases against Breggin and others who have been destroyed by Prozac is just reprehensible. Ely was only interested in destroying more people in court at the expense of people whose lives were already destroyed by their drug.

> > You may think thats not true, but it almost happened to me.
> Sometimes, things happen while a person is taking a medication that are caused by something else (e.g., the person happens to catch a cold or have a heart attack at that time), and because of their timing they are misattributed to the medication. That two things occur at the same time does not imply that there must have been a cause-effect relationship between the two.

Uh, no, it had nothing to do with anything else. After reading other people's accounts of what seriously went wrong with them while taking Prozac, it was comforting to not be alone. Lets just say I'm 100% certain about what Prozac's cause-effect relationship did to me.

> That said, the hype surrounding this issue has caused a number of researchers to look into whether SSRI drugs can cause increased suicidal ideation. Despite the lack of evidence of increased suicidal ideation, because of occasional case reports this is regarded as a possible rare side effect of these and other antidepressant drugs. It has been reported with all antidepressants, not just the SSRIs (the risk may be greater with amitriptyline and maprotiline), and in patients with a variety of primary diagnoses (depression, panic disorder, OCD, personality disorder, etc.; it's been suggested that those with histories of impulsive-aggressive behavior are at greater risk). It has been hypothesized that the cause is akathisia (a type of extrapyramidal effect), and a possible mechanism has been proposed. (This hypothesis remains untested.)

I became suicidal on Prozac. I had no other history of suicidal ideation up to that point. I believe the statistics are 3 in 100 that you may have a adverse reaction resulting in suicidal ideation on Prozac. These may be acceptable results if one was looking at the greater good that Prozac and meds in general provide, but 99% of the doctors prescribing these meds would never warn you about this nor admit that it can happen. I used to get angry about I have no reaction at all. Its business as usual.

> Tom, I haven't read your story in particular (I don't read all the threads), but I will gladly do so if you will tell me a thread title and date.

I doubt I could find it. Don't really care to either.

> > Additionaly, the only thing I remember about you and Breggin in your previous postings was your petty personal attack regarding his presentation style.
> Huh? If I had anything to say about his presentation style it would refer to his loaded word choice. However, what concerns me is that he uses his degree to claim credibility on subjects he doesn't really know much about -- pharmacology being an example.

Well, I remembered. Not sure why. Maybe because you come off as an expert on this site to many posters, but it my personal belief you are asking people to expend too much energy on the medical answer. I think the pendulum has swung to far to meds.

> > You may also think I'm from the Church of Scientology or some other radical group.
> Not necessarily, but I think that you and people like you who are hurting and looking for a scapegoat are at risk for being sucked into cults (not necessarily Scientology in particular).

I'm not looking for a scapegoat. My suffering came as a result of deep emotional pain that I couldn't face up to. I was told medicine had all the answers to my problems. Medicine almost ruined me. Medicine is still in the ice ages when it comes to mental illness in my opinion. The real healing lies inside each one of us today. We're all terribly frightened to choose that route first...




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